First of all, as usual, a BIG THANK YOU to Julka for her willingness to translate this text.
Let it be an answer to some who think that the rapture is the coming of the Lord:
“Dzień Chrystusa, Porwanie jest wydarzeniem, które powinno się oczekiwać, Dzień Pana, Drugie Przyjście jest wydarzeniem, którego powinno się bardzo obawiać.
"Strive earnestly that you may stand before God as a tried and blameless worker who expounds the word of truth properly." 2 Timothy 2:15
There is an old saying that says "things that are different cannot be the same thing". As Christians, we tend to read everything from Matthew to Revelation, trying to align everything with the Church. But it doesn't work that way because not all of the New Testament is written to the Christian Church. The Church is only part of it. Much of the New Testament is written for the Jews of that time and for the Jews who will live in the time of Jacob's Affliction otherwise known as the Great Tribulation. And some of it is written for unbelieving Gentiles. This, Paul told Timothy to teach the people how to "interpret properly" their Bibles so they would know which of the three groups God was speaking to at a particular time.
"Behold, I reveal a mystery to you: we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the sound of the final trumpet; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised as uncontaminated, and we shall be changed. "1 Corinthians 15:51,52
We see many Christian churches today that are not properly interpreting their Bibles, teaching people that there is no difference between the Rapture and the Second Coming. They say that it is one and the same event. But in this article we will show you the major differences between the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ that will show that it is impossible for them to be the same event.
#1: The rapture is the "blessed hope" and the Second Coming is the Day to be feared.
We begin with this because this difference is the most ignored in studying the differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming. In Titus 2:13 Paul speaking of the Rapture called it a "blessed hope," a day of comfort and joy. But in Amos 5:18 speaking of the Day of the Lord, which is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, God tells us that it is a day of "great distress" and is to be feared! Now, how are the Rapture and the Second Coming to be the same thing? Read Joel 3 about the cruelty and misery of the Second Coming. Paul called the Rapture of the Church "the day of Christ." The Coming of Christ is called "the day of the Lord." We should look forward to the day of Christ and fear the Day of the Lord. If you are someone who believes in the Bible, I could end this article now because I have proven my thesis without a shadow of a doubt. But if you are "foolish and dumb of heart to believe everything the prophets said" then we need to add 9 other solid proofs why the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ cannot be the same event.
- "Looking forward to the blessed hope and revelation of the glory of the great God and our Savior Christ Jesus" Titus 2:13 - Abduction
- „Abyście się nie zaraz dali zrażać z zmysłu waszego, ani sobą trwożyć, lub przez ducha lub przez mowę, lub przez list, jakoby od nas pisany, jakoby nadchodził dzień Chrystusowy.” 2 Tesaloniczan 2:2 – Porwanie
- "Woe to you who eagerly await the day of the Lord! For what use is this day of the Lord to you? For he is darkness and not light." Amos 5:18 - The Second Coming
- "Behold, the day of the Lord is coming, cruel, full of sternness and burning anger, to turn the earth into a desert, and to exterminate sinners from it." Isaiah 13:9 - The Second Coming
#2: At the Rapture Jesus comes for His Church, and at His Second Coming He brings the Church with Himself.
Paul teaches that over and over again during Kidnapping, The Church is taken from the face of the earth. But at the Second Coming Jesus returns with His saints. Another major difference when you try to reconcile these two events together. The first is "going up" and the second is "going down."
- "For the Lord himself, at the given command, at the voice of the archangel and the trumpet of God, will descend from heaven; then first those who have died in Christ will arise, then we who remain alive will be raptured with them in the clouds into the air, to meet the Lord; and so we will always be with the Lord." 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 - The rapture
- "And there followed him armies of heaven on white horses, clothed in pure white byssus." Revelation 19:14 - The Second Coming
#3: At the Rapture the Church is taken to Heaven, and at the Second Coming Jesus begins an earthly reign.
In the writings of John and Paul, the promise of a "heavenly home" awaits newborn Christians. We call it the Kingdom of God. But at the Second Coming a millennial kingdom is established on earth, known as the Kingdom of Heaven. To Christians it is never promised an earthly home, but a heavenly one. To the Jews and the Tribulation saints it was never promised, instead they get a home on Earth.
- "In my Father's house are many dwellings; if it were otherwise, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and take you to myself, that where I am, there you may be also." John 14:2,3 - Abduction
- "And I saw thrones, and there sat upon them those to whom the right of judgment had been given; and I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for bearing witness to Jesus and preaching the word of God, and of those who had not worshipped the beast or his statue, and had not accepted the mark on their forehead and on their hand. These came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years." Revelation 20:4 - The Second Coming
#4: The Rapture takes place before the Antichrist and the Tribulation, and the Second Coming after both.
Paul emphasizes repeatedly that one of the greatest benefits of being taken away in the Rapture is to avoid the wrath of the Great Tribulation altogether. But Matthew tells us that the Second Coming is "after the Tribulation of those days." So how is this? If the Rapture and the Second Coming are the same event, then these verses present an undeniable conflict. However, there is not, because they are different events.
- "For God has not destined us for wrath, but for the attainment of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ" 1 Thessalonians 5:9 - Abduction
- " Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, until the falling away first come, and the man of sin, the son of perdition, be revealed." 2 Thessalonians 2:3 - Abduction
- „A zaraz po udręce tych dni “słońce się zaćmi i księżyc nie da światła, i gwiazdy będą spadać” z nieba i “moce niebieskie” będą wstrząśnięte. Wtedy ukaże się na niebie znak Syna Człowieczego. I “płakać będą wszystkie pokolenia ziemi, i ujrzą Syna Człowieczego przychodzącego na obłokach niebieskich” z wielką mocą i chwałą.” Ew. wg św. Mateusza 24:29,30 – Drugie Przyjście
#5: At the Rapture, only the born again Church will see the Lord coming for them, and at the Second Coming the whole world will witness it.
Mockers of the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture like to call it the "secret" Rapture As if it were an insult to the people who believe it. The Apostle Paul, who in the Holy Spirit wrote this doctrine also considered it a secret, he called it a "mystery". During the Rapture only the saved will hear the Cries of the Lord, and He calls us to be with Him in the air. At the Second Coming, Jesus reveals Himself during the JUDGMENT to the whole world.
- "Then we who are left alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds into the air, to meet the Lord; and so we will always be with the Lord" 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - Abduction
- "Behold, he comes in the midst of the clouds, and every eye shall see him, and those who pierced him, and all the tribes of the earth shall wail over him. That's right! Amen." Revelation 1:7 - The Second Coming
#6: During the Rapture, angels are not sent to gather the Church. During the Second Coming, angels gather for judgment.
Paul says that Jesus Himself will come to gather His Church from here. We hear His Call and "in a flash" we are gone. Angels are not mentioned here. Compare this to His Second Coming, where only angels are sent to gather God's elect, the surviving Jews who survived the Tribulation. Again, a big difference.
- „W jednej chwili, w oka mgnieniu, na odgłos trąby ostatecznej; bo trąba zabrzmi i umarli wzbudzeni zostaną jako nie skażeni, a my zostaniemy przemienieni.” 1 Koryntian 15:52 – Porwanie
- "Then shall appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then shall all the tribes of the earth wail, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with great power and glory, and he shall send his angels with a great trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four corners of the world from one end of heaven to the other." Matthew 24: 30,31 - The Second Coming
#7: The judgment of Christ will occur after the Rapture, and the judgment of the nations will occur after the Second Coming.
Immediately following the Hijacking of the Church, Paul says that we will appear before the judgment of Christ. It's not a judgment of sins that were dealt with at Calvary, it's a judgment of works that we did or didn't do for Jesus Christ after we were saved. But immediately after the Second Coming the judgment that will occur will be public, not individual, but of the nations.
- "For we must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the recompense of his deeds done in the body, whether good or bad." 2 Corinthians 5:10 - Abduction
- "Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord! When did we see thee hungering, or thirsting, or coming, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did we not serve thee? Then he shall answer them in these words, Verily I say unto you, whatsoever ye did not do unto one of the least of these, ye did not do unto me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life." Matthew 25:44-46 - The Second Coming
#8: Famine, war and pestilence will follow the Rapture, and 1000 years of peace will follow the Second Coming.
Again, the difference could not be more apparent. After the Rapture, a time of incredible suffering begins, a time of Jacob's Affliction (Jeremiah 30:7). But after the Second Coming, the 1000-year reign of the Lord Jesus Christ in Jerusalem will bring a world of peace so wonderful that even deadly animals are no longer a threat. The verse in Matthew 24 where the apostles ask Jesus about "the signs of your coming" is a direct reference to the Second Coming. The doctrine of the Rapture was unknown to them at that time and was not to be revealed until Paul, 30 years after this Gospel was written.
- "As he sat on the Mount of Olives, his disciples came to him in private, saying, Tell us, when shall these things come to pass, and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Then you will hear of wars and news of wars. Take heed lest you be troubled, for it must come to pass, but it is not yet the end. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there will be famine, and plague, and earthquakes in places. But all this is only the beginning of sorrows." Matthew 24:3,6-8
- "And a wolf shall be the guest of a lamb, and a leopard shall lie down beside a kid; a calf and a lioness and fattened cattle shall be together, and a little boy shall lead them. (7) The cow will graze with the bear, their young will lie down together, and the lion will feed on straw like an ox. The infant will play over the pit of the viper, and to the burrow of the serpent the child will stretch out his hand. They shall not harm or hurt in all my holy mountain, for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord as the waters that fill the sea. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the nations shall seek the root of Isaiah, which shall break forth as a standard of the peoples; and the place of his dwelling shall be famous." Isaiah 11:6-10 - The Second Coming
#9: No one in the Bible knew the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church until the Lord revealed it to Paul.
This is one of the most important pieces of evidence why the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming are not the same events. Paul in Corinthians 15 is the first to tell us about the Rapture of the Church and informs us that it is a "secret" revealed only to him by God when he began to teach the Church. Almost all biblical chronologies date Matthew's Gospel to about A.D. 35 and the letter to the Corinthians to about A.D. 66.
("Trumpet the horn on Zion! Shout on my holy mountain! Let all the inhabitants of the earth tremble, for the day of the Lord is coming, for it is near!" Joel 2:1)
Why is this important? Because if no one knew about the doctrine of the Rapture of the church until Paul then Matthew 24 and 24 cannot in any respect refer to the church and the Rapture because no one knew anything about any Rapture. In fact, at the time of Matthew the Church had not yet been formed. If Matthew knew and wrote about the Rapture of the Church then Paul was lying when he said it was a SECRET that was only revealed in his letter to the Corinthians.
- "Behold, I reveal a mystery to you: we shall not all fall asleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the sound of the final trumpet; for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised as uncontaminated, and we shall be changed." 1 Corinthians 15:51,52 - The rapture
#10: During the Rapture, believers will receive a glorified body, and during the Second Coming they will remain in earthly bodies as they enter the Millennial Kingdom.
During the Rapture of the Church a great personal and physical change will take place for the believer. The Bible says that newly born-again believers will receive new bodies that have a form similar to the "glorified body" that the Lord Jesus Christ Himself received during His Resurrection. Wow, imagine that. How exciting it is for a believer to look forward to that day. But at the Second Coming, Jesus establishes His earthly rule from Jerusalem, and the people who survived the Tribulation do not have special bodies and may die. Christians who get a glorified body will never be able to die.
- "But our fatherland is in heaven, from whence also we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will change our frail body into a form like his glorified body, by that power wherewith he also subjects all things to himself." Philippians 3:20,21 - Abduction
- "Or rather, they shall rejoice and make merry for all time over what I will create, for, behold, I will create joy out of Jerusalem, and joy out of her people! And I will rejoice with Jerusalem and make merry with my people, and the voice of weeping and the voice of complaint will never be heard there again. And there shall no longer be a babe that liveth but a few days, nor an old man that becometh not to his age: for he shall be reckoned a youth that dieth at an age of a hundred years, and he that sinneth not until he becometh a hundred years old shall be under the curse. When they build houses, they will live in them; when they plant vineyards, they will eat their fill." Isaiah 65:17-21 - The Second Coming
If you are not only a Bible believer, but also intellectually honest, then you must admit that we have proven that the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ are two different events with different outcomes. In this article we have given 10 reasons why, but we could easily add 20 more examples of the differences between the two events.
Things that are different not to be the same thing. Case closed.
In the original text all quotations from the Bible come from the KJV, I have chosen the Polish translations that best correspond to the English version, but they are not always perfect, and I do not feel competent enough to translate the Scriptures.
Hey! 🙂 🙂
Proof that post-tribers use the same arguments as Catholicism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ORot3jT8Qw
(worth translating)
to też jest argument, ale Adi/Luc, garstka wie co oznacza trybers…
nie wyjaśniłem: to od TRIB – tribulation (ucisk), post = po
PS do you know that there are dog catching and eating festivals going on in China now?
Czerwony (edom-rzeźnicy) smok chiński pożera psy = symbolizują pogan, czas pogan, wiernych (mieć pieska = mieć baranka – Baranek Boży..).
zły znak…
Meanwhile, at the gates of Europe and the West
Islamic emigration, Islamization of the world, Japan, Angola ban ISLAM, when will Europe? https://youtu.be/Y2zDg6Jmafw
I don't think banning is going to help anymore.
Nothing to add. That's the way it all looks in the Bible.
very good text earlier I thought that the rapture and the second coming of Jesus are one and the same but this text helped me understand perfectly how it will happen thank you for translating this text it would be nice if you started translating purtian pictures 2 videos on youtube channel because I unfortunately don't know English 😀
If we separate the resurrections from this reasoning, it fits nicely but with the rapture there is a resurrection after all.
1)The day of Christ is only in the Gdansk Bible,the interlinear and others
tłumaczeniach,w niemieckiej też, jest “dzień Pana”.( 2 Tesaloniczan 2:2)
2) The Lord Jesus speaks of one being taken and the other left, so it is not only Paul who speaks of the rapture, Paul is revealing the mystery of how it will happen, not that it will happen at all, this is where the anti-Pavlovians would have fun.
,Mt 24.40-42 – na marginesia , gdy żył Noe nie było podziału na Żydów i swiat a Pan Jezus mówi,że bedzie jak za czasów Noego i mówi o pochwyceniu,jeden wzięty drugi nie.
3)The author of the article does not mention anything about resurrections, he stops at Revelation 20.4, without mentioning 20.5, as if this verse does not exist, and then there is Revelation 20.12-14. The Bible teaches two resurrections, at least that is how I read it from the Scriptures.
After all, the rapture of the living precedes the resurrection of the dead, the first resurrection, then comes the second, and where is the third?
The author of this article needs three resurrections and they are not in the Bible, unless I don't see them then someone please provide a link.
-przy pochwyceniu 1Tes 4.15-16 – 1-wsze
-with those killed in the great tribulation Rev 20.4 -2nd
-the rest of the world Revelation 20.12-13 -3rd
The author would have to prove biblically 3 resurrections to prove the accuracy of the thesis of his article, and this is not seen in the Holy Scriptures, I have not found it today, unless someone knows, I would be happy to check.
I'm curious, how does the author include in the 1st resurrection those who did not take the mark, since according to him they are not in the rapture and John says they are in the 1st resurrection? Revelation 20.4-5
Does anyone know the answer?
list of scriptures implying the resurrection:
https://carm.org/apologetics/evidence-and-answers/death-and-resurrection-passages-new-testament
1 Thess 4.17
17) So we who are alive and remain shall delight ourselves with them in the clouds before the Lord for air,
Zachwyceni było tłumaczeniem wulgaty Hieronima. W oryginalnym grekicm jest harpazo, czyli: “wyrwać, czyli nagle i gwałtownie “. Wulgata była główna Biblia do średniowiecza, do reformacji. Stąd nikt nie wpadł na słowo harpazo.
To samo znaczenie łacińskiego słowa rapio ” wyrwać, oderwać”
List do Kor. tylko teksty wcześniej : Tak więc i ci, co pomarli w Chrystusie,……Nie wszyscy zaśniemy, ale wszyscy będziemy przemienieni w jednej chwili, w oka mgnieniu, na odgłos trąby ostatecznej; bo trąba zabrzmi i umarli wzbudzeni zostaną jako nie skażeni, a my zostaniemy przemienieni.”1 Koryntian 15:51,52
tyczy sie zbawionych….tak wiec dzień Pański i dzień zabrania zbawionych to ten sam dzień….dla jednych jest to dzień radości ale dla tych co nie są w Chrystusie jest to dzień ostatni…
Islamists kill Christians in Africa https://youtu.be/QKf9mRZXtiw
https://tajnearchiwumwatykanskie.wordpress.com/2014/11/06/watykan-odrzuca-drugie-przyjscie-jezusa-chrystusa/
Albo zrobią drugie przyjście – ale matki boskiej…
Jola says it well, there is no such thing as kidnapping 😉
This should be called : taking before the time of Jacob's affliction.
PS An interesting coincidence: the Greek word used for hijacking is harpazo, while haarp is an alleged earthquake generator, and harp is a harp
There is an airline, samLOT what not... - Ryanair - its logo is a golden harp resembling a woman in flight with eagle wings, according to Daniel 12 (Michael the intercessor of the people) and Revelation 12 - Michael is to arise, at the voice of the archangel the Lord is to descend,
dyrektorem generalnym firmy jest… Michael – Michał O’Leary – absolwent – TRINITY college, zobaczcie na google zdjęcia z jego udziałem – śmiechowy facet – np ma fotkę w dybach (jakby na ścięcie), ……..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF5ccbL94Ko
I suggest you watch the movie titled After the Tribulation. I also ask you for your insights and comments.
That's how I judge not only this film, but the proponents of hijacking after oppression:
The vast majority of them are overly nervous and often aggressive and lacking in culture. On this blog I have a few such people, whose comments I do not publish because of irony, insults, haughtiness.
2 - As to the substance. Poor historical knowledge is presented in this film.
Postawiony jest zarzut taki oto: “do roku ok 1800 nie było wcale mowy o porwaniu, żadna z denominacji chrześcijańskich o tym nie mówiła”.
Well, no.
-until the Reformation, Bible reading was forbidden.
-in the first centuries Bishop Ephrem the Syrian wrote about it.
– Daniela: Ale ty, Danielu, zamknij te słowa i zapieczętuj księgę aż do czasu ostatecznego! Wielu będzie to badać i wzrośnie poznanie.
It was only in the end times that cognition was to increase and is increasing.
-if the rapture is to take place after the tribulation, when is the church to enter the kingdom of heaven if right after the tribulation Jesus is to rule 1000 years on earth !
It says in this video that there is no mention in the Bible of protection from WU. Again, lack of knowledge. In Luke it is mentioned, in Revelation it is mentioned and I think in Joel or Amos.
Crown argument: The Roman Church does not teach abduction.
For me, this struggle of whether the rapture will be before or after is of little interest, because assuming it will be before, I have no guarantee of a rapture before. I am trying to fix myself and get in touch with God. That is the most important thing to me. Doctrines and arguing about them are for arguers.
Dlatego nie publikuje komentarzy antypawłowców. Przeczytali gdzieś o zarzutach wobec Pawła a teraz na siłę forsują “swe” argumenty. Zauważmy, że wierni członkowie forum HK nie kłócą się tu nt Pawła. Tak samo ja nie daje złego słowa powiedzieć na Heńka. Cel mamy ten sam a podziały to od szatana.
“ironie, docinki, wyniosłość” to typowo erystyczne metody, my powinniśmy unikać nieuczciwych metod w dyskusji.
Podobna jest propaganda krk – np przed Lutrem nie było nic podobnego, dlatego mamy rację… no tylko że Pismo Św – które jest wcześniejsze niż krk – zawiera w sobie komponenty dla zasady Sola Scriptura, tak jak komponenty dla koncepcji Trójjedynego Boga.
Jest duużo wykładów o tym zagadnieniu w sieci, polecam np huskyKJVstudies (ten facio z video co tu zapodałem). Wypatrzył nawet w 1ym z wideo news i nagranie, jak jakiś rabin żydowski brał odznaczenie od biskupów KRK, a na ceremonii był… Kissinger
Peter, full agreement.
We are to exchange understanding on this subject for the moment without argument, with factual arguments, and leave the conviction to each individual, but take care, above all, of the relationship with the Lord, submission to the guidance of the Holy Spirit, so that the Lord will SEE us at all and not reject us like those foolish virgins without a supply of oil.
Dlatego polecam też zapodane przez Ciebie wykłady Jim’a Hohenberger’a mówiące o prawdziwym ,praktycznym zyciu chrzescijańskim,podkreslam praktycznym ,bo teoretykami w wiekszosci jestesmy swietnymi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HpAMBjN5sU&list=PLr3tnj1MPNLaEj5pp2CI3gxodgfSH-woY
Nie wiem dlaczego sporo osób neguje porwanie przed uciskiem. To jest zastanawiające. Może nie chcą żeby w ogóle było porwanie , może boją sie że nie zostaną porwani. ? Czytam Biblie i dla mnie jest tam napisane o porwaniu przed uciskiem. Wiele osób też tak naprawdę nie wierzy w to że Jezus powtórnie przyjdzie na ziemię. Nawet ci religijni ( z pozoru). A jeżeli przyjdzie to najlepiej jeszcze nie teraz mówią , bo przecież…….JA , bo moje dzieci …,bo moja rodzina …,bo moja praca… , mój dom …,moje hobby… itd. Myślenie typu – Ja przecież jeszcze muszę trochę pożyć na tym świecie ( niestety ,ale większośc ludzi tak właśnie myśli). Oni tak naprawdę nie czekaja na Jezusa, oni nie chca ,żeby cokolwiek zakłócało ich obecne życie . Niech przyjdzie za 50,100 lat lub później ,ale jeszcze nie teraz- takie myślenie jest niestety powszechne. Oni kochają ten świat i swoje życie tu na tym upadłym świecie. Przykre.
Beato – takie jest niestety myślenie większości ludzi na tym świecie, zresztą nic dziwnego.. nie wiem jak to będzie z tym porwaniem ale chcę być szczera – taki paradoks – mimo, że ze mnie nadal raczej kiepska chrześcijanka to bardzo ale to bardzo bym chciała aby Pan Jezus Chrystus przyszedł już jutro- czyli 24.06.2015 – tak dla ścisłości 🙂
Please respond:
1 – porwany – życie wieczne, w doskonałym ciele, przychodzi jeszcze raz na ziemię wraz z Chrystusem – jak rozumiem na walkę. Czy potem wracają do nieba czy zostają na ziemii ?
2 – ci nieporwani – czyli niezłomni w czasie ucisku – dlaczego ich nie dotyczy życie wieczne.
3 – czym jest to 1000 letnie panowanie
thank you in advance